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[estro]

I was having difficulty figuring out what was more important to me: Prop 8 or the presidential election.

Given that I just spent an hour in the shower crying, I think i have a pretty good idea.

I am really doing my best not to hate over 51% of California voters for being religous bigots, homophobes, or just too stupid to see through the Yes on 8 lies, but I haven't quite managed yet.

Comments

[ivy]

[hugs] We will win eventually, but yeah, damn, this sucks.

[gero1965.livejournal.com]

An Obama win was crucial; we knew all along that the matter of equality for gays is going to have to be settled by courts, specifically, The Supreme Court. Celebrate an Obama win and don't let this setback ruin it for you. I know it's difficult, but look how long Jim Crow laws were on the books in this country. Sometimes we have to take a few steps back before we move forward.

[shaix.livejournal.com]

Yes, indeed. What's more, we need to be making more connections between the anti-gay laws and Jim Crow laws, because it is about civil rights, very clearly and explicitly.

We're not done. I don't think anyone is saying "Oh well, we tried."

[blue-estro.livejournal.com]

I know no one is going to say "oh no, we tried", and I don't think that gay couples will decide not to make life commitments to each other because of this. But I am still so fucking pissed, because our state actually is in a place where gay marriage should be found acceptable.

When this proposition was first put on the ballot there wasn't much worry it would pass. It is only in the last few months that fundamentalist religious groups have thrown themselves at it and waged an ad campaign primarily based on lies. Not just stuff like the slippery slope difference between "your kids could be taught about gay marriage" and "your kids will be taught gay marriage when they're 5", but sent mailers and calls saying that Obama endorsed a yes vote and claimed that churches would be forced to marry gay couples (both lies).

Additionally "A yes vote protects marriage" confused many voters who want to protect the rights of gays to marry.

[dymaxion.livejournal.com]

I think Obama was still more important, but yeah, the tears I went to bed with weren't happy tears.

You know, I was kind of thinking I might get married some time in the next few years.

[kest]

I am wishing, in retrospect, that I had done more on the prop 8 issue. I was looking at the results by county and noticing things like the vote in Contra Costa county was really close, and in Santa Clara county too (No by only 55% or so) and maybe I could have gone and knocked on doors or bought friends who live there a sign or something. If this had been a different election and we weren't all looking so hard in the Obama direction, maybe more energy could have been put in to defeating it, and yeah, I'm bummed.

[lemurdillo.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

I'm sorely disappointed too. At least it was close. It wasn't even close 8 years ago.

I'm looking forward to the chance to amend the amendment in a few years. Equality will come...

[cardboard-dream.livejournal.com]

Prop 8 can (and I believe will) be over turned within the next four years. My roommate who can no longer get married due to prop 8 is very optimistic in spite of the prop 8 results. He reminded me that just a few years ago, 70% of California was completely against gay rights, and the fact that prop 8 just barely passed shows progress. And as Shaix pointed out, no one is saying "Oh well, we tried." In fact I think it's likely that people for equal rights are fired up enough to take things to a higher level.

And speaking of higher levels, I predict within the next year or two that this injustice will be brought back to the supreme court as a human rights issue, not a religious issue that can be deferred to the states. It's only a matter of time, and with Obama in office, I believe that the justice we deserve will be far easier to achieve.

Your tears are justified though. Ignorance is a very sad and powerful thing.

[nadyalec.livejournal.com]

Ah, sweet.

I love you and am thinking of you. Thank you for your hard work on this.

xoxo

Nabil

[kimmalat.livejournal.com]

Alas, I have seen the prop system in Cali used to codify bigotry more than once. I am so disappointed in California.